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#16 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » How do you like your RZR? » 2011-09-08 11:53:01

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Just another example of how things have changed in the UTV world.  Rhino's used to be the top dog, and where ever you went you saw 10 Rhinos for every other side by side you saw.  Now you see at least that many Rzr's for every Rhino.  At the recent "King of the Mountain" UTV race, which is an endurance race that includes tight woods, hillclimbs, mud, and other obstacles, there were 19 UTVs that entered the race and 18 out of 19 were Rzr's.  I know this is a racing venue, and you were not interested in racing, but this is what I am seeing everywhere, including the dunes and the trails.  Pretty much everyone has gotten away from the Rhino.  Unfortunately, this is a market that Yamaha owned, but has let it be taken away from them.

As for the Big Red transmission, it is the same engine and transmission as in the Honda Rincon.  The transmission is a three speed automatic transmission that is geared too tall for the Rincon.  I don't see how it would work any better on an even heavier vehicle like the Big Red.  I cant imagine a big UTV that is geared too tall, and has no low range, could work very well at plowing snow, or any kind of work for that matter.

#17 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » How do you like your RZR? » 2011-09-07 17:13:47

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briank,
I've owned two Rhino 660s, and frequently went riding with a friend that had both a Rhino 660 and a Rhino 700.  Right now I own a Rzr XP 900, which admittedly is not the same Rzr you are considering.  I've owned 3 Grizzly 660s and 2 Grizzly 700s, and a bunch of other Yamaha's, all the way from dirt bikes to ATVs.  I've owned all of the other brands of ATVs as well, and I don't consider myself brand loyal, and really just try to tell it like it is.  Keeping in mind that my Rzr is not quite the same as the Rzr you are considering, maybe I can still give you a comparison between the Rhino and the Rzr.

I must say that I wasn't too impressed with the Rhino.  I had lots of problems with fuel delivery because of pieces of plastic crud in the gas tank from the factory.  This caused plugged fuel filters, plugged jets, and vapor lock issues.  I've never messed with a carburator so much to get a vehicle running correctly, but once dialed in it was at least fair.  My carburated Rhino 660s were faster and ran better than my friends fuel injected Rhino 700.  Reliability otherwise was quite poor as well, and my Rhino's left me stranded three times.  Build quality left a lot to be desired.  These things vibrate and rattle like crazy, and they're very loud to ride in.  Suspension quality is poor, stability is poor, handling is poor, all being compared to just about anything else (ATVs, motorcycles, Jeeps, etc).  Power is extremely poor, and this was the biggest complaint I had about the Rhino.  They were just incredibly gutless, and quite frankly boring to drive.

In comparison, the Rzr XP 900 is a major step up in quality.  Vibration, noise, and rattles are much much less.  Steering is easier.  Handling is night and day better.  Power is the biggest difference though.  A Rhino has something like 36 HP, and the Rzr XP has 88 HP.  That is a difference you can feel right now.  I shouldn't even have to mention how much better the suspension is, ... 7" travel vs 14" travel.  Serviceability is much easier, with easy access to spark plugs, dip sticks, and the air filter.

In the years since the introduction of the Rhino Yamaha has done nothing to really improve it.  Polaris has made improvements in build quality regularly.  At this point the latest Rzr side by side is so much better than the Rhino that it is hard to even describe the differences.  You ask if I like my Rzr?  The answer is a resounding yes.

[edit]  Just noticed my signature is from when I owned the Rhino.  Time to get that changed.  There is also one thing I like better on the Rhino than the Rzr.  I think the ultramatic transmission in the Yamaha is a better design.  The clutching on the Rzr is better for performance, but I like the Ultramatic transmissions design that keeps the belt from engaging and disengaging, ... it is always engaged.  That makes for a smoother start up and better engine braking.

#18 Re: Rhino Parts and Accessories » Best Winch for a Rhino 700 » 2008-06-22 20:42:42

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I even had the chance to use the winch and winch bumper today.  Here's a picture of the Pro Armor bumper with the Warn 3.0 installed.
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And here is where we got to use it.
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#19 Re: Rhino Parts and Accessories » Best Winch for a Rhino 700 » 2008-06-18 20:09:01

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I have a Warn 3.0 mounted on a Pro Armor race bumper.  It works well, and the 3.0 winch didn't break the bank as much as a 4.0 would have.

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#20 Re: Yamaha Rhino Photo Gallery » Before and After » 2008-05-14 20:55:41

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The before had King shocks and 25" Bighorns.  I must say that I was a bit underwhelmed by the King shocks.  The after has Elka shocks, long travel, and 27" XTRs.  After is working much much better.  Super plush, and super stable.  It works great in the mountains on off cambers, and in the rocks.  It has more ground clearance (15" under the belly skid), but still doesn't feel tippy at all.

Next, ... ?  It's working pretty good right now.  More power would be nice, but you really need to go internal with motor mods at this point to make much of a difference.  So I'll just plunk along and enjoy the ride I suppose.  The only real plans right now are to powder coat the beadlock rings orange.

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#21 Re: Rhino Parts and Accessories » bolt on cage » 2008-05-14 13:43:27

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Now that is a very nice looking cage.  I wish I would have seen that before buying my two seater cage.  I also like the way it can be shipped in boxes, instead of on a pallet like a fully welded race cage.  It cost over $500 for just shipping with the cage I bought, and that was to ship it just one state away from where it was built.  roll

#22 Re: Yamaha Rhino Performance Mods » rhino exhaust--which one » 2008-05-14 13:31:54

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I ended up going with the Yoshimura RS-5 slip on exhaust, and porting the stock header.  The Rhino runs fantastic, seems to definitely have more get up and go, and isn't too excessively loud (it passes the 96 dB sound test).  And it only cost $300, instead of a months pay like some of the dual systems do.

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In the ten months since I originally posted on this thread we have put about 400 miles on the Rhino.  The Yoshimura RS-5 slip on needs repacked at this point, and noise levels are about double what they were to begin with.  That is something to think about when purchasing a new exhaust, ... how often maintenance repacking is going to be needed.  The FMF powerline exhaust does not need repacking, so that would be a good choice if you feel like spending $800 on an exhaust.  I just ordered the Gibson exhaust system, which includes a complete stainless steel header and stainless steel single silencer that uses mechanical baffles instead of packing.  It cost half as much ($400), and never needs repacking.  It is also supposed to be within 3 dB of stock sound levels.  I should have it ready to install this weekend.

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#23 Re: Yamaha Rhino Photo Gallery » Before and After » 2008-05-14 13:14:19

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I liked that before and after post that badley started.  Maybe we should each do a before and after photo.  Here's my Rhino before and after:

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Now lets see your before and after photos.
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#24 Re: Where to Ride? » Side by Side Laws » 2007-12-04 22:34:00

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Several trails in Utah do not allow side by sides either.  The portion of the Paiute ATV Trail System that heads west from Koosharem has a sign that says "no vehicles over 50" wide, and all vehicles must be straddled by the rider".  And the Duck Creek ATV Trail system has numerous signs that specifically say "no side by sides", and have a picture of a Yamaha Rhino on the sign.

#25 Re: The X Spot » witch one to buy? » 2007-12-04 22:28:31

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i want power / room/ and versatility. so shoot me you're thought's guy's :?:

You already answered your own question when you made that list.  And the first item on your list says Teryx.

#26 Re: Yamaha Rhino Performance Mods » Sheave for Rhino 660 » 2007-11-28 08:37:42

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I think I would try the clutch kit with the KMS sheave first, and if you do not like that, then switch to the Trinity sheave, or a Grizzly sheave.  The stock sheave is going to limit top end too much.

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#27 Re: Where to Ride? » Logandale, Nevada ATV Trail System » 2007-11-27 20:08:06

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Here are some pictures from the Logandale, Nevada ATV trail system.  Trails are very well suited for side x sides.  Plan on sunshine, with temps in the 60s this time of year.

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#28 Re: Yamaha Rhino Performance Mods » Sheave for Rhino 660 » 2007-11-27 19:55:09

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I got the Trinity sheave and weights quite some time ago.  I am entirely satisfied with the way the Rhino is working now, and the biggest improvement to date has been the Trinity sheave, so thanks for the heads up on that one carhauler89.  The actual engagement RPM is still nice and low because all of the clutch springs are stock.  But with the lighter weights in the clutch the engine RPM builds instantly when I give it some gas, and it feels like I installed lower gears in the differentials.  Rock crawling and other technical obstacles are night and day better than stock.  And with the improved taper of the sheave top speed has increased from 49 mph to 55 mph, with no detectable increase in engine RPM while at top speed.  Engine RPM is higher at low to medium speed, but seems to actually decrease relative to stock for any cruising speed above 35 mph or thereabouts.  The only negative effect seems to be slightly worse fuel mileage when cruising below 35 mph.

I would definitely recommend the Trinity clutch set up to anyone with a Rhino 660.

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#29 Re: General Discussion about Yamaha Rhinos » RACING RHINOS.... » 2007-09-02 13:39:57

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Like i know what the difference between the rhino sna di know everything about the rhino i would need for racing, but i want to know...

Do you need a pit crew for somethign like this...?

Do you need a ton of extra parts?

is it expansive...?

That's what i need to figure out...

For desert racing you will need a pit crew.  you can't expect to undo your harnesses and crawl out to fill it with gas each time you come into the pit.  And if you breakdown your crew is going to have to get your Rhino back out of the desert for you.  The sponsoring club will get the drivers back to the pits if they have to, but they are not obligated to tow your Rhino back.  At least thats the way it is around here.

Basic spare parts are a good idea, such as spare tires/wheels, fuel pump, fuel hose, fuel filter, air filter, spare CDI, spare belt for the transmission, and perhaps spare axle shafts.  If anything more complicated than that lets go you can pretty much count on a DNF.

Yes it is expensive.  I only make it to a few races each year.  Sponsors would help with some of the cost.  Right now I only get parts for dealer cost, which helps, but not enough.

#30 Re: General Discussion about Yamaha Rhinos » RACING RHINOS.... » 2007-09-02 13:28:52

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$20K will get you this much.  Legal for WORCS and USRA Desert racing.
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