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#571 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-07-02 13:53:23

Remember it is +/- 3 psi at 39 psi so even at 43 or even 44 you are good to go. The pumps themself deliver much higher PSI and the regulator changes that. There may be a slight difference between the two pumps but it should work. let me know what they are so i can make a note in my files and add it to the site.

#572 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-07-02 13:19:42

As fare as Polaris is concerned it is not serviceable but it is, I need you to pull the pump and take it to a good auto parts store like Napa Or car quest. here is a possible pump replacement but you will need to use the old cage. It is airtex E8229 and match the old with the new one to be sure. as fare as the wiring it is all good and it is a bad pump.

Same Pump other manufactures

CROSS REFERENCE:
BOSCH:0 580 453 407
AIRTEX:E8229
WALBRO:WEP310, WEP318, WEP321
ACDELCO:EP126, EP382, EP387
NISSAN:17040-8B0000,17042-OW000
HYUNDAI:31110-28100,31110-33610,31111-37300,31111-37200
ISUZU:5-86202-235-0,8-94384-528-0,8-94384-528-1
HONDA:17040-S02-L00,17040-S04-G30,17040-S04-G04,1704-S040-L00,
FEDERAL MOGUL:P72192, P72236, P72237, P72239, P72240, P72241, P742242,
KEM:EFP8229
MAZDA:B3C7-13-350,3E7-13-350A, B3E7-13-35ZB, B61P-13-350B, BPE8-13-350, BPE8-13-35Z

#573 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » 2003 Ranger 500 4x4 - quits running after 5 minutes » 2009-07-02 11:32:46

Sounds like a float problem in the carburetor. Pull the carp and check the float stopper and adjust the float. Make sure the carb is clean before you reinstall it.

#574 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-07-02 11:27:15

O.k The fuel pressure needs to be 39 psi +/- 3 psi and if your gage is accurate 29 psi is not enough. There is a fuel regulator on the pump inside the tank and maybe there is an adjustment but i am not sure because it depends on the pump. I do not know of what aftermarket replacement pump is used on the RZR but on the ranger XP there is at least 3 different pumps and i only know what is used from 2005 to 2007 which were also manufactured for the auto industry. If you find that the regulator is not adjustable i would take the pump to a really good auto parts store and see if they can cross reference the pump or regulator to one that is used in a car. Polaris charges around 3 times as much for theirs and i would only do that as a last result. I would like you to still give me that last reading before it is time to put it all back together and as of now i would still replace the relay and hope you can fix the regulator otherwise the cost of the fuel pump is not going to be cheap. I will do some research and see if i can come up with a pump part number on my end. I wish the news was better......

#575 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-07-02 10:41:20

O.k. On the meter all we are concerned about is the 200 ohm scale and i need you to retest term 87 back to the fuel pump connector. did you try driving the UTV with the temporary jumper from the battery to the fuel pump :?: . I am going to look at another book but 29 lbs is still low per the rzr manual but it now holding a constant 12.5 volts is going somewhere good.

#576 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-07-01 22:28:32

Ok this is what I think and what needs to be done. The fuel pump and the fuel gage share the same ground so unplug the connector at the pump and use the Ohms scale on the meter and then meter from the Neg of the battery to the brown of the RZR side of the plug. It should be near zero Ohms. If this tests Passes then the problem is at the fuse box relay or in the fuse box. We need to test the red/black wire at the fuel pump connector to where pin 87 of the pump relay plugs into at the fuse box. There should be all most no resistance on the fuel pump positive. Pull the fuel pump relay and run a 14 ga wire from the battery to where input 87 is with a flat crimp connect and that will bypass the relay for testing purposes. If all is good it should read a constant 12.5 or higher and the pump will come on without the key turned on. The fuel pump pressure should read around 39 psi and should not drop bellow 33 to 34 psi. You could rig this for a test drive and see if the problem corrects itself and if it does you need to replace the EFI relay at this point. Be careful that you do not short anything out because there is no fuse at this point and you have bypassed around most of the wiring except a EFI splice point somewhere elese. The replacement relay is Polaris part number 4011284 and cost $10.00. FYI, to avoid most of the above proceedures I would buy and change the relay out first after testing the ground because it is cheap and I think this is where the problem is and it is and it is easy to do. Also change the 15 amp EFI fuse for a new one just incase. unless it is a bad fuse box connection. Did you replace the fuel filter before all this, you never said…….

#577 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-07-01 16:39:17

Looking into it but it may be tonight before i have an answer and procedure. I do have a good idea of what it is but it is to difficult and long to post at this point. I think it is the fuel pump ground or the EFI relay at the fuse box :idea: .

#578 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-06-29 15:59:17

Any auto parts store will have one for around $50. We have a chain of stores on the west cost that is called harbor freight that sell cheap ones and you could look into something like northern tool and Jegs.com or summitracing.com for good professional but well priced gages. I like Jegs.com because i get most of my orders in two days and never had an issue with them every order since they first opened. At Jeg.com goto search and enter Fuel Injection Tools and it is around $43.

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#579 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-06-29 11:43:13

Put a fuel pressure gage on the fuel rail and and let me know what the pressure is, It should be 39 psi +/- 3 PSI. Also did you replace the the fuel filter :idea:. While you have the gage on the fuel rail i need you to drive it and watch the gage and look at it when it starts to act up and take note on the pressure at that time. This will tell me if it is the fuel pump cutting out. Also the fuel pick up may have an issue. top off the tank after you do all the test and drive it to see what happens. We will hunt this problem down and destroy it lol . What has taken days to get too over the computer i would have probably found it in a few hours if i was there :!: .

#580 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-06-29 11:31:20

I dont know much about the RZR but if it has a voltage regulator (im guessing it does) it may be worth checking as well. I had one go to hell in my snowmachine and it would run fine for a few miles but then when you asked for lots of power it would act up. A bad regulator can cause your electrical system to go all crazzy after it gets hot or under alot of load.

Just a though  :idea:

That is a good point and yes they do have a voltage regulator and it also could be the problem. But the only reason that makes me think it is not is because the problem only now happens going up a hill and that tells me it is a fuel pump issue or the pump is loseing its prime. :idea:

#581 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-06-28 23:06:12

This is really good news to a point because now we know when it happens :idea: , I wished i new this info at the beginning roll . Now that i know about fact that the extra amp load of the fan when it comes on is when the problem start and stops and this is a big help. I need you to test the voltage at the battery with the engine off and no load at all. then turn the key to the accessory position and give me the voltage, then start the engine and let it sit running for a few minutes and give me the voltage, at this time let it get hot and when the fan comes on give me the voltage again. A fully charged battery should read 12.74 volts and when the engine is running it should be around 13.8 and 14.8 volts. when the fan comes on if it falls lower then 12.0 there is a problem. I like to see no less then 12.5 under any load, below is the order of what it could be.

1. A defective battery because under heavy electrical load the 500 watt stator can not keep up with the load and it will need to rely on a good battery under heavier load periods. The ignition and ecu will need to have the minimum running voltage to run it properly and a bad battery will cause it to not have the proper minimum voltage and it will start it to crap out. Remember the stator only gives full rated output at max RPM. At this point i think it is a weak and defective battery in my opinion.

2. You may have a bad stator and need to check all wiring and may need replacement.

3. The fan may be drawing to many amps and check all wiring and grounds and may need a new fan motor.

4. And i hope this is not it but a bad ECM that switches and controls all your power. this is not likely and i would go with reason number one for shore.


I would volt and load test the battery and do a full charging on it. if it passes and see what happens next.

#582 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-06-28 18:13:38

Grtrnd1, I am glade it is now working for you, As for your tire rubbing issue you can try something i am not all that found of only because it will add a little more stress to the Axles and bearings but you can use a set of wheel spacers, A lot of people that have rhinos and rzr's use them to give a wider tract and better wheel clearance. They will also add a little more stability and will maintain the front end alignment, they are cheap compared to the proper way of correcting the problem which is a full a-arm kit and axles. those kits go for around $500 to $1000 per axle depending on manufafacure. Wheel spacers are between $25 to $40 per wheel.

#584 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Need Help » 2009-06-27 22:58:54

As i read again you need to forget the base voltage and do what i said a few post ago, adjust for best idle and set the TPS to .735 and reset the idle and repeat till the voltage stays at .735 at a good idle. You need to forget the manual at this point and i am sure it will fix most of your problem. When you put your hand over the intake you restrict the air and that is all the butterfly in the throttle body is doing. Once the butterfly is set along with the TPS the engine will have the proper air to fuel ratio through the whole RPM range, The TPS job is to only know how much fuel to add at any given throttle position and RPM. Think of it as a variable fuel to air ratio Jet.

#585 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » RZR Oil Usage » 2009-06-27 22:40:49

It is not normal to use that much oil and yes take it back to the dealer for the warranty :!: . My ranger XP has almost 300 hours of running time and does not use a drop of oil. The 2008 RZR have had problems with the air intake in silty conditions that is why they have made major changes in 2009. It is part of the problem when the engine almost sits on the rear wheels in the wide open and is exposed to all the dirt and mud from the rear wheels. I never could understand why they did that but that is what it takes to make it in a small package. Take it back and push the issue....

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