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#391 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » NE one snap a belt yet? » 2009-10-10 16:55:52
The answer to question 1 would depend on the kit that is set up for a certain altitude but yes the kit will normally raise the engagement or so called stall speed. The kit From EPI dose give you two springs springs and one will not raise the rpm but the other will by around 300 RPM. Dale will custom all kits that he makes as long as you tell him that you would not like to raise the stall speed.
The answer to question 2 is that the the stock set up is a compromise for all altitudes and riding conditions and a good kit will be tuned to what you ride and altitude and load factors.
The answer to question 3 would be that there is more force placed to the belt so it will not slip in the sheaves and smoke the belt. This alone made a huge difference on mine when under heavy load conditions.
The answer to question 4 would be that you will normally run at a lower RPM with the kit because of less belt slippage. If you do dune riding a kit really is needed because of the added drag on the tires from the sand and climbing the dunes. 250 lbs is not much on these clutches but at 250 lbs and in the sand the belt will start to heat up and you will start to smell that rubber smell under heavy load when you claw up the dune hills. On trail riding the up and down shifting will be improved and you down hill braking will be greatly improved.
Dale at Dirty Dawg will ask you your riding style and any modifications to the engine along with tire size and altitude. At this time you can talk to him about any concerns you may have.
#392 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » NE one snap a belt yet? » 2009-10-10 15:16:53
I do not know how to answer your question :?: . Everything you said above is the problems with the stock system and just a little more and the kit fixes most of them :idea: . Under load you lose more power with the stock set up then with a well tuned kit. Going through sand washes the machine has more slippage through the belt system with the stock system then with a modified system. A good clutch kit will give you a much better seat of the pants feel then the stock system. You will get up in the power band faster and get there faster and in some cases even more top end. Pulling a heavy trailer down the side of a mountain is a big difference because of the braking improvements. Ask anybody that started with the stock system and then upgraded and they will say it is a night and day difference and the performance. Your belts will last longer and not slip as much on the sheaves. The stock system is not that efficient and never has been. I know this first hand because i have done quite a few of them and have seen the before and after effects. If you can give me a clearer question i can try to answer your question a little better :idea: 
. But on the other hand since you do not haul any loads and run through sand washes or plow snow or rock crawl you may be just fine with what you have but as you get more seat time you will see what all the shortcomings are with the drives like i have seen :idea: .
#393 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » NE one snap a belt yet? » 2009-10-10 12:38:41
No because it is one of the modifications that they do to the RZR-s to get more top end out of it and they have removed it on the 2010 standard RZR.
I did some quick searching for removing the clutch spacer. Found that a bunch of people were snapping belts shortly after they removed the spacer. Others were arguing that the belts may have already been stresses/broken in incorrectly. However a different guy said that it was the first mod he did when he got his RZR with 0hrs and he snapped his belt shortly thereafter. Of course he may have beat the bag out of it but it leads me to be a bit skeptical of the mod. Since they removed the spacers on the new RZRs, have they changed the pulley design at all? If not I will be removing some extra parts from mine this winter
Local dealer said the same thing "some" experience belt problems after removing the spacer on the RZR my guess is its a mfg tollerance thing, something is machined slightly different on "some" and allows the belt to ride too high on the clutch then poofkaboom, if your one of the "some" that have had belt problems after removing the spacer I would buy a new spacer and remove 1/8" off the width and try it to see what your top speed is and if you have belt problems then you might remove another 1/8" and try again.
Just a thought.
On todays clutches they are manufactured on a Haas or a Fadal CNC machine that produces the first one exactly the same as the one thousandth one. They are all checked after they have been machine and if they don't pass they are rejected. When i talk about alignment it is the alignment between the two clutches from the engine to the transmission and the side to side alignment. There is a tool that you buy that looks like a Jig that you use to set it up thru adjustments and shims. If the clutches are to fare apart it will put to much pressure on the belt and cause it to snap. the factory has been known not to set this up correctly and always should be checked.
#394 Re: The X Spot » Looking for new UTV... » 2009-10-10 12:05:03
We ended up going with a 2010 LE Sunset Red since we are big Alabama Crimson Tide fans. Looks near enough to crimson red to us. The only extras we got for now are the top and we order some CV joint protectors.
About the only thing I am not happy about is the noise level... they are terribly loud. It is not quite at loud at higher speeds, but at slow cruising it is a nuisance to me. I would really like to figure out a way to quieten it down some.
I am amazed that it is that loud. This maybe a stupid question but does it have the stock pipe on it :?: , If it does then i would look into the system from benz. I am with you on the quit thing on the exhaust because a few friends installed aftermarket exhaust on there rides and they are way to loud now on what was once a nice peaceful ride but i never had any complaints on the noise level on the stock system. That is why i went back to it on mine and the aftermarket one really never made all that much more power to begin with...
#395 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » NE one snap a belt yet? » 2009-10-10 11:47:14
Hoser, most of your questions from reading your post have already been answered on this thread. I will add that the main issue with the cheap XP and new RZR secondary clutch is you can not change the helix for a better and the secondary from dirty dawg is rubber dampened. The stock setups are tuned for sea level and are tuned to be soft and and the belt slips way more. here is the link to dirtydawg performance and he stocks the belts as well. You can also google dayco and look up the part numbers there for the belt.
www.DirtyDawgPerformance.net
http://www.daycoproducts.com/daycoweb.n … SNOWMOBILE
Like i said earlier in the thread it is way to involved to get into the exact detail on the differences on what has changed and what needs to be changed on theses clutches and would be best to call him on what he would exactly do for your year and model.
#396 Re: Ranger and RZR Performance Mods » New 09 'Razor What do I do First to make it perform better ? » 2009-10-07 21:45:47
The first thing is to start out with the clutch kit to get you set up for your altitude and to get max HP to the ground and to remove the speed limiter on the clutch system. Contact Dirty Dawg Performance for your setup because he is the best for Polaris....
#397 Re: The X Spot » Looking for new UTV... » 2009-10-07 21:40:33
I would go with what your neighbor said but remember the 2010 models have the 800 now :!: :idea: .
#398 Re: General Kawasaki Teryx and Mule Discussion » 2010 TERYX ARE HERE! » 2009-10-07 14:03:34
Well i guess that's what's great about this country, weall have different life experience's as well as opinions and are free to share. And i'm not trying to debate wich brand is better, cause once again were talking opions. I just know in my personal experience i watch day in and day out 20+ Kawasaki mules get hammered on, and they don't hold up. I myself own a rhino, but for what were using the mules for my personal preference would be the ranger. That's just my 2 cents.
I would agree with you on the Ranger as my first choice as you can see on my picture .
#399 Re: The X Spot » working UTV » 2009-10-07 13:46:09
The top one is a Ranger HD and the bottom one is the Ranger 6x6. The 2010 models all have the 800 EFI engine and the 6x6 looks more like the Ranger HD for 2010 but with 6 wheel drive and a 1750lbs bed capacity. Just make sure that they install the foam kit to reduce the heat from under the dash and make your dealer include it in the deal when you buy it...
This is the Part Number Foam Pad Kit- (2877488)
#400 Re: General Kawasaki Teryx and Mule Discussion » 2010 TERYX ARE HERE! » 2009-10-07 11:25:06
I think it's funny. It's taken Kawasucky this long to rip off yamaha's idea's. I wouldn't have a Terex if it was given to me. At work that's all they run is Kawasucky and i've personally seen nothing but problems with them.
I will disagree with you on your statement. The Teryx is a well built machine that we have put through some serious torture in the mountains, moab, trails, etc. The rhino does have a better fit and finish, its just to bad the power is not there.
Anyway.... back to what this thread was about.
It is great how for 2010 they made the hood open and made better air flow however the hood of the 08-09 has a much better look to it. One question that I have is how well the lights work? It seems to me that they are placed to far back to get any "flood" lighting from them. But who knows. 8)
What else do any of you have to say about it?
I would have to agree with you Jared. I do think they should have taken note on the one main downfall of the Big Red. The hood is a step backwards and the light position looks like there would be a dead zone in front of the machine. As for Kawasaki i think they make a great machine and the mule would be my second choice as a work UTV because of the diesel option. If Honda would fix the ugly hood issue i would also look more into it. I do think the Big Red has the most advanced drive line compared to the other machines because of the automatic transmission and honda's fit and finish.
#401 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Ruesch SXS » 2009-10-07 10:19:12
I have an E-mail sent out to see if we could add a section on Other type of UTV postings for the future.
#402 Re: The X Spot » working UTV » 2009-10-07 10:11:21
I would look at one of these two....
#403 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » NE one snap a belt yet? » 2009-10-05 15:21:41
Anytime you modify the design of something outside of a certified modification that is approved by Polaris can cause issues with the warranty. It all depends on how good your dealer is and what he is willing to overlook :!: .
#404 Re: General Polaris Ranger and Polaris RZR Discussions » Ruesch SXS » 2009-10-05 15:16:54
Ruesch is a manufacture and they seem to have a lot of power but i did not like the fit and finish of the one i saw. Not sure why it is posted on a Polaris thread though :?: .
#405 Re: The X Spot » Joyner Troopers? » 2009-10-04 19:44:52
Like all machines they all have the positives and negatives, The trooper has had some issues that the manufacturer has seemed to eliminate some of from what i have seen and maybe if there is a strong enough showing on sideXside forum regarding Joyner it may earn a thread here at some point like Polaris and Yamaha has. :idea: .